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This page describes all the political manipulations related to the crisis regarding the successor to King Alonon during Chapter 4. At this point, the process has started but it's very likely that it will carry on through the whole chapter, or at least through the end of the next release (version 0.35 as of May 2018). Nevertheless, the page contains SPOILERS.

Variables Edit

You need to have reached various thresholds to get the optimal effect from various political actions, which are expressed as adding or reducing the score of a given candidate. That doesn't mean that you can't get the best possible results in all cases, though.

Simon stats:

  • Economy ≥ 80: you can't check this one directly in-game, but if you were able to trigger Iris + Megail second scene you are (in the worst case) very, very near as you need 75 for that scene.
  • Social ≥ 40: if you were able to get the best result in the Ferolohm merchant camp dispute prior to start this section of the game, you already have it, as you can't lose Social points during this part of the game.
  • Religion ≥ 20: there is no way to check this stat in-game at this point.

Affection values:

  • Megail has to be locked. (That means having had the locking conversation, not just reaching 100 points. Note that HQ is inaccessible, so you can't get the conversation during these events.)
  • Carina ≥ 75
  • Dari ≥ 75
  • Elleani ≥ 70 for the best result, 50 for second best.

Optional characters:

Investments:

  • Eustrin Embassy.[1]
  • Ardan Bank Core Lender (reduces by half the amount of ProN necessary to sabotage Ghanth).
  • Mercenary Flotilla.
  • Merchant's Guild member.
  • Sanitation Mages Guild.[1]
  • Order of Silence
  • New Givini Trade
  • Givini Mage Guild
  • War Monument

Country scores:

  • New Givini ≥ 35 for the best result, 25 for second best.
  • Ardoheim ??

Candidates for the Throne Edit

Some of them can be found in New Givini and others in Ardford. While Tyna stays mostly in Ardford during this part of the plot, her chances are affected by happenings in New Givini.

So far you can eliminate two from the race and weaken (or strengthen) the position of four more. The story suggests that most desirable candidate is Tyna, but much remains to be seen.

In New Givini:

  • Bhakan: he has the strongest claim from the point of view of blood relations (Alonon's grand-nephew by his next oldest brother). "A hard man, but not neccesarily a bad king."
  • Donovan: son of the Duke of Stineford. To strengthen his position he would have to marry Tyna...
  • Farnan: strong Aramite connections.


In Ardford:

  • Tyna: she doesn't want the job, but...
  • Ignias: a childhood friend of Tyna's from a noble family near the border with Darghelon, and a good man.
  • Ghanth: his mercantile family has a lot of economic power, but very little nobility.
  • Jhenno: another grand-nephew of Alonon. He has strong connections with the Church of Ivala.
  • Antarion: enough said.


Dealing with the candidates Edit

In-game you can only see a non-numerical description of the status of their claim, but in this page we will also provide the numerical value in parenthesis.

Trin's abilities Edit

Due to another increase in Trin's powers, she is able to stay with both groups, so she can duplicate weak targets. You can check who she has copied and how many free slots remain by speaking with Trin in the Ardan Candidates room.

The possible targets are 4:

  • In New Givini:
    • Bhakan's guard
    • New Givini King's Aide
  • In Ardford:
    • Ghanth's Aide
    • Lecherous Priestess[2]

If the wedding between Simon and Janine has already happened, all the copies from the Trade negotiations are no longer managed by Trin, with the exception of Orgasmic Empire Noble. That could free up to 5/6 slots in some cases.

General advice Edit

  • Although you can switch back and forth between the two groups, there is no real advantage to do so and you can be distracted, so it's advised to finish New Givini content before starting with Ardford. A possible exception will be if you're very near to a higher threshold on the Economy and/or Social scores needed in the deals with the candidates in New Givini - you can get +2 Economy if you're able to intimidate Ghanth, and +1 Social if you ask Jhenno for political cooperation.
  • Regarding New Givini content, don't forget to speak with the king after the ball to get an optional boss fight.
  • Before using any of the resources to undermine one of the candidates, it's a good idea to make a save in case that the timing is not ideal (for instance the Orilise intervention on Bhakan or Farnan business).
  • In Ardford, there is no need to wait to use the chances that your allies (Lynine, Min and Vhala) provide. To trigger Vhala's help (for Ignias or Kalant) you have to visit the Military Headquarters on the Military District.
  • The end of this section is the meeting with Alonon, so in case that you have forgot something, you should make a save just before traveling to the Twisted Space.

Tyna Edit

  • Initial status (unclear).
  • Best result: unknown
  • Worst result: unknown.

Your goal is to increase her legitimacy:

Country Location Legitimacy Boosters Legitimacy Check Requisites
New Givini Givini Vinai:
Courtly Chambers
New Givini Support (Ambassador Offer) +1 Talk with Elleani in your chamber after you have gained enough New Givini support (≥ 4; see the next table).
Farnan's warehouse Farnan Talk +1 Confront Farnan in his hidden warehouse.
Ardoheim Embassies Dwarren Support 0 Fund Eustrin Embassy and request Ambassador's support.
Ardford's Business District Sanitation Mage Support 0 Fund Sanitation Mages Guild and request their support.
Ardford Castle Jhenno Politics Support +2 Talk with Jhenno in the castle after having gotten enough influence (≥ 2) with him and request his support in Politics.
Jhenno Religion Support +1 Talk with Jhenno in the castle after having gotten enough influence (≥ 2) with him and request his support in Religion.
Silver Stump Ghanth Intimidated +1 Talk with Ghanth in your chamber after you have pressured him enough (≥ 4).
Ardan Candidates room Demon Assassination Attempt +1 Talk with Mestan about the attempt on Tyna's life.

For one of the boosters mentioned above, Tyna needs to gain the support of New Givini to her throne's aspirations. Some of them will be from various notables New Givini's figures and others will be provided by harem members. Elleani in Simon's group chamber will keep you updated of your progress:

Location Action Gain Requisites Side effects
Uneanun's room Speak with Uneanun +1 Have funded New Givini Trade.
Fashion Shop Speak with Luanell +1 Recruit Elleani. Have a Social score ≥ 20[3]. Not direct but possible backlash for Farnan, Bhakan or both.
Throne Room Copy King's Aide with Trin +2 Loss of Relationship points for Elleani, Uyae and Hilstara.
Social Ball Speak with the King +2 if New Givini Score is ≥35,
+1 if is ≥ 25.
Finish the New Givini side of operations. +1 to New Givini score.
Wynn intervention (automatic) +1 Wynn has to be in the harem already.
Talk with Etuanun +1 Have a Social score ≥ 30. Gain of Relationship points for Orilise.

At the end of the current content, she can get various grades of legitimacy as a function of how successfully both groups have been supporting her:

Legitimacy check total Effects
≥ 5 +3 Social, +6 to Ardoheim score, +2 Arclent Acceptance, received "True Stone"
4 +2 Social, +4 to Ardoheim score, +1 Arclent Acceptance
3 +1 Social, +2 to Ardoheim score
2 -1 Arclent Acceptance
< 2 -2 Arclent Acceptance

Ignias Edit

  • Initial status: Average (3).
  • Best result: Very Good (6)
  • Worst result: Poor (2).

There are not many events to raise or decrease his options, but the results can be pretty dramatic as you can see above:

Location Action Gain Side effects
Ardoheim group's room Speak with Lynine and request that she uses Darghelese trade to help Ignias. +1 +1 to Ardoheim score
Speak with Lynine and request that she uses Darghelese trade to hurt Ignias. -1 +1 to Darghelon score.
Ardford's Business District Have Min Support Ignias +1
Ardan Candidates room Have Vhala Honor Ignias +1 +1 to Ardoheim score

Bhakan Edit

  • Initial status: Good (4).
  • Best result: Very Good (5)
  • Worst result: Poor (2).

There isn't a fixed order to deal with Bhakan. There is a couple of things to remember, though. Don't copy Bhakan 's guard until you have confronted Farnan at the warehouse (as you need Elleani's RPs ≥ 70). In fact you can safely copy him after the ball (as this action doesn't have any impact in this phase). The other thing is to wait until Donovan returns to Stineford before using Orilise's help.

Location Action Gain Requisites Side effects
Givino Vinai's Finest shop Convince Luanell to choose Bhakan as her husband. +1 You need Elleani to have this conversation. -1 to Farnan if Social score ≥ 40.
Convince Luanell to choose Farnan as her husband. -1 if Social score ≥ 40 +1 to Farnan.
Convince Luanell to reject both Bhakan and Farnan. -1 to Bhakan and Farnan if Social score ≥ 40.
Outside the group's room Ask Orilise[4] to target Bhakan's business with Donovan gone[5]. -1 +1 to Farnan.
Ask Orilise[4] to target Farnan's business with Donovan gone[5]. +1 -1 to Farnan
New Givini's group's room Mestan fakes an assassination atempt on Bhakan Unknown for now. Meet Mestan in the Court District Unknown for now.
Mestan stalls Donovan
Southwest dining hall Copy Bhakan's Guard Recruit Elleani. Meet Bhakan at the door of Lady Luanell's room. Loss of Relationship points for Elleani.

Donovan Edit

  • Initial status: Good (4).
  • Best result: Good (4).
  • Worst result: Poor (2).

Donovan returns to Stineford due to a distraction created by Iris. How much that hurts him depends of the following factors:

Location Action Donovan Work Requisites Side effects
War Monument Talk with the caretaker there +2 Fund the War Monument. +2 Relationship points to Iris and Nalili
New Givini Mage Guildhall Interrupt Donovan meeting +3 if the Economy score is ≥ 80, +2 if is ≥ 60, OR +1 if is ≥ 40.
+2 if you have invested in the Magic Guild.
Enter the Mage Guildhall +1 Wynn has joined the harem +2 Relationship points to Wynn
Speak with Wynn +1 Wynn hasn't joined the harem -5 Simon's anger
Givini Teahouse Basement Go inside +1 You have to convince the shopkeeper to visit the teahouse (needs New Givini ≥ 25).
Ardan Candidates room Talk with Iris and start the sabotage +1 You need to unlock the first Megail/Iris scene.

Sabotage results:

Donovan Work Total Effects
≥ 7[6] -2 Donovan and +5 Relationship points to Iris and Elleani
≥ 3 -1 Donovan and +2 to Iris
< 3


Ghanth Edit

  • Initial status: Average (3).
  • Best result: Average (3).
  • Worst result: Impossible (0).

You should start by meeting him in the castle, but that meeting is not mandatory. You can also meet him in the Merchant's Guild but the conversation that affects his status happens in the Silver Stump.

Location Action Ghanth pressure Requisites
Holy Knights Talk with the Unman there. +1 Dari ≥75
Ardford Bank Talk with the clerk on the left side. +1 100,000 ProN if invested in the Ardan Bank. Otherwise 200,000 ProN.
Merchant Guild Talk with the first clerk on the left side. +1 Simon has to be a Merchant's Guild Member.
Merchant Guild Copying Ghanth's Aide. +2
Naval Guild Talk with the Guild representative. +2 if invested in the Merchant flotilla, otherwise +1.
Silver Stump Megail's influence in the meeting with Ghanth. +1 Megail's relationship have to be locked[7].

Results after the meeting in the Silver Stump:

Ghanth pressure Effects
≥ 6 -3 Ghanth and +2 Economy and Ghanth Intimidated is On
≥ 4 -2 Ghanth and +2 Economy and Ghanth Intimidated is On
≥ 2 -1 Ghanth and +1 Economy

If intimidated he is no longer a real competitor, but he hasn't agreed to withdraw yet.

Jhenno Edit

  • Initial status: Average (3).
  • Best result: Average (3).
  • Worst result: Very Poor (1).

The campaign against this candidature starts by meeting Jhenno in the cathedral.

Location Action Jhenno Influence Requisites
Cathedral Talk with Jhenno (Jhenno Intro) +2 if Religion is ≥20, +1 if is ≥ 10.
Talk with the sister near Jhenno's position. +2 if Carina is ≥75, +1 otherwise. Jhenno Intro
Religious District Talk with Hester +1
Your room Talk with Kara +1 Jhenno Intro. Kara has to survive the war and you have to meet her in the Ivalan Bank.

Once you have gained enough influence over him, speak with him in the castle. If your influence is ≥ 5, he will lose -1 in his status (no loss otherwise). You can choose to:

  • Cooperate with him in Politics to make him lose an additional point, +1 Social score, and he will also agree to withdraw from the competition when the time is right.
  • Cooperate in Religion (no loss of status, but you get a +1 Religion score). In this stance he doesn't agree to withdraw from the competition.

Farnan Edit

  • Initial status: Poor (2).
  • Best result: Very Good (6).
  • Worst result: Impossible (-2).

We can gain Control over Farnan by going to his secret warehouse therefore visit Givini Camp and follow him to the warehouse. Once inside you have two options:

  1. Attack the guards OR
  2. Go left up then left till end and up and meddle with the magical communicator to distract the Guards. This way you will confront him undetected.

In any case you can learn a bit more of his operation by visiting the top right room before your conversation with him. You can get more or less control in function of your choices:

Action Farnan Control Farnan Requisites Side effects
With Stealth +1 Avoid all Guards and Distract them
Speak with Farnan +2 if Elleani is ≥70,
+1 if is ≥ 50,
Shutdown operation +1 -1 Shutdown Farnan is ON
Support operation +2 +1 Support Farnan is ON
Allow but blackmail +3 +1 Blackmail Farnan is ON
Report to humiliate +1 -2 Humiliate Farnan is ON

If you go to the Warehouse at the end Farnan Talk is set to ON => Resulting in his secret withdrawn.

It's unclear what the Farnan control will mean in the future.

Farnan Score:

Location Action Farnan Score Requisites Side effects
Givino Vinai's Finest shop Convince Luanell to choose Bhakan as her husband. -1 to Farnan if Social score ≥ 40. You need Elleani to have this conversation. +1 to Bhakan.
Convince Luanell to choose Farnan as her husband. +1 to Farnan. -1 to Bhakan if Social score ≥ 40.
Convince Luanell to reject both Bhakan and Farnan. -1 to Bhakan and Farnan if Social score ≥ 40.
Outside the group's room Ask Orilise[4] to target Bhakan's business with Donovan gone[5]. +1 -1 to Bhakan.
Ask Orilise[4] to target Farnan's business with Donovan gone[5]. -1 +1 to Bhakan.
Ardan Candidates room Ask Orilise to hurt Farnan's Gheldaron trade -1 +5 RPs to Orilise
Ask Orilise to improve Farnan's Gheldaron trade +1 +2 RPs to Orilise
Hidden warehouse Choose to shut down his secret operation -1 +1 Farnan Control
Choose to support his secret operation +1 +2 Farnan Control
Choose to report his secret operation -2 +1 Farnan Control

Antarion Edit

He is not a very likely candidate, but just in case, speak with him once more in the Blademaster Guild. Dari will automatically investigate him, who should give you all the leverage that you can reasonably need in any eventuality.

Suitors Edit

They are not candidates to the throne (some of them are not Ardans to start with) but nevertheless they are somehow linked to the crisis. Their relevance and exact role are unclear for the time being.

Etuanun Edit

  • Initial status 2
  • Best result: unknown
  • Worst result: unknown

Uneanun Edit

  • Initial status 2.
  • Best result: unknown
  • Worst result: unknown.

Kalant Edit

  • Initial status 1 (invisible in-game).

You can increase his status as a suitor (the actual advantages to do so remain unclear) by doing the following actions:

Location Action Kalant Support Requisites Side effects
Ardford Library Support Kalant (don't join the fight) +1 Kalant Supported is ON
Ardford Library/Your room +2 Simon has convinced Kalant to give up his power during the war. Kalant Supported is ON
Ardford Guardhouse Let Kalant clear the SX Foundations +2 Completed The Knights of Sx quest
Ardford's Business District Have Min Support Kalant +1 Min has been recruited (Chapter 3).
Order of Silence HQ Talk with Sir Bartolomew +2 Invested in the Order before or after[8] the War Order of Silence + 10
Ardan Candidates room Talk with Vhala +2 Visit the Military Headquarters on the military district.

References Edit

  1. 1.0 1.1 As of 0.34, the known effects of this investment are merely cosmetic.
  2. It seems unlikely that she will be involved in the succession, but it's listed here for the sake of completionism.
  3. You can't find her otherwise.
  4. 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 Only available after seeing their confrontation in the Givini Equipment Shop.
  5. 5.0 5.1 5.2 5.3 Otherwise Donovan will thwart your efforts, as Stineford will be offered as an alternative route.
  6. Only way to get full Donovan Work Total of 7 or more is to invest in either New Givini Mage Guild or War Monument.
  7. That means having had the locking conversation, not just reaching 100 points. Note that HQ is inaccessible, so you can't get the conversation during these events.
  8. The costs has been doubled in the latter case.