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Managing Simon's armed forces is another aspect of the game mechanics that adds complexity. The composition of your army is represented by 2 stats:

  • Size: A representation of how many people are in it.
  • Quality: How disciplined and well trained they are.
Army strength

Orcent can give you hard numbers when they're available.

These stats determine which rewards you receive after the battle with the horde in Chapter 2 as well as playing a large role in determining the outcome of the Battle of Yhilin at the start of Chapter 3 and in the incoming war with the Incubus Emperor at the end of the same chapter.


Possible Recruits Pre-HordeEdit

So far, it's possible to avoid getting any army but Orcent's band, and although the losses against the Orcs are heavy, that doesn't mean a Game Over but the reward list from the Horde Battle is minimal (and Carina's soldiers die.) It also results in suboptimal outcomes and negative consequences to the Battle of Yhilin.

When you recruit Orcent:

  • You start with an army of Size 3 and Quality 1.
  • When you return to the farm (during Chapter 1), Simon can talk to a recalcitrant orc in the storehouse. If Simon attempts to dominate the orc and his level is 12 or higher, you get +1 Quality (plus 150 EXP for Simon only). If Simon's level is below 12 or he chooses to fight the orc, you get -1 Size and +1 Quality.
  • When you return to the farm (during Chapter 1), Simon can talk to a recalcitrant orc in the farmhouse. If Simon attempts to dominate the orc and his level is 14 or higher, he can cow the orc for no change in stats (just the EXP). If Simon's level is below 14 or he chooses to fight the orc, you get -1 Size.
  • At the start of Chapter 3, you get +10 Size and +3 Quality.

When you hire mercenaries in the Outskirts of Ari-Yhilina:

  • Hiring the Iron Cudgel: +2 Size +1 Quality.
  • Hiring the Dusty Horde: +5 Size.
  • Hiring AriGarda: +2 Size +3 Quality.

If you invest in Premium Steel:

  • +1 Size, +1 Quality applied at the start of Chapter 3.

If you invest in Mine Processing:

  • +1 Size, +1 Quality applied at the start of Chapter 3.

When you recruit the Succubi in the tower near Stineford:

  • +2 Size, +1 Quality if you talked to their leader during Chapter 1.
  • +1 Size, +1 Quality if you did not talk to their leader during Chapter 1.
  • +3 Size at the start of Chapter 3.

If you recruit the group at Withered Mountain:

  • +3 Size, +1 Quality if you convince 29 or more to join you.
  • +2 Size if you convince 15-28 to join you.
  • +3 Size at the start of Chapter 3.

If you recovered Stark's Head:

  • You get a synergy bonus for the passes battle.
  • +1 Quality at the start of Chapter 3.

If you spared The Impaler:

  • No effect on Army rating, but you get a synergy bonus for the passes battle.
  • Participates in Battle of Yhilin, yielding different results based on scenario.

MAXIMUM VALUES FOR INCUBUS KING'S ABORTIVE INVASION:

Size = 17
Quality = 8

Impending Horde Battle Edit

The amount of Sx is determined by army size, the quality of the items is determined by army quality.

The results vary with your army strength.[1][2]

  • Orcent will give you a variable amount of money in function of the size + hidden variable (see below) of your army, expressed as a number n:
    • n >= 5: 1000 Sx
    • n >= 8: 2000 Sx
    • n >= 10: 3000 Sx
    • n >= 15: 5000 Sx
  • The succubi village will give you various gear based on army quality:
    • 2 quality will net you a Steel Armor.
    • 3 will get you a Full Plate instead.
    • 4 will get you a Shining Sword instead.
    • 5 will get you the Full Plate and Shining Sword.
    • 6 or above and you win all three.
  • Carina's men will be saved by any mercenary company and will give you a Shining Armor. No effect on Carina affection or hidden Religion variable.

Generally speaking, if you do the maximum to reinforce you inhuman troops without getting mercenaries, factoring in synergy bonuses (see below), you get 3000 Sx and army quality will be 4. You'll also get the orgy with PR bonuses. If you hire Iron Cudgel, quality will grow up to 5, and Carina's men will survive. If you hire AriGarda quality will be even bigger so you get maximum reward. You can get the 5000 Sx reward by simply hiring the Dusty Horde, but you won't get the full reward from the succubi. In order to maximize both rewards, you must hire the AriGarda and at least one other mercenary company.

Synergy bonusEdit

But you guys are missing an invisible component: certain groups and decisions have synergies with each other that can temporarily increase or decrease size and quality.
 
— Sierra Lee

A hidden synergy variable is calculated. It is added to your army size to determine Sx earned from the battle (see above), and a total of 12 from size + quality + synergy is needed for the Orcent Orgy scene.

What affects synergy:

  • Having both the AriGarda and Iron Cudgel will give you +1
  • Having both the AriGarda and Dusty Horde give you -1 (stacks with above)
  • Having both the Withered Mountain Troops and the Succubi Tower will give +1, but only if you talk with them outside the dark tower to trigger their scene.
  • Having both Orcent and Impaler will give +1, but only if you watch their cutscene outside the Abandoned Fortress.
  • Having Orcent and Stark's head will give +1, but to get this you have to talk to Orcent at least twice outside the tower in order to show it to him.

Efficiency in the preceding section of Chapter 2 affects several hidden checks, but none related to this battle.

Megail's Route Edit

If you invest in the Eustrin suppler:

  • +1 Size, +1 Quality applied at the start of Chapter 3.

After the ReunionEdit

If you asked Robin to research orcs:

  • +1 Size, +1 Quality applied at the start of Chapter 3.

If you invest in mercenaries here, there are a few changes:

  • AriGarda is no longer available for your army, but you can pay them 10k ProN to align with House Rose, otherwise they end up signing with House Adamant.
  • Iron Cudgel has declined in numbers since you didn't hire them before, so you only get +1 size, +1 quality. They're also more desperate, so they'll sign on for only 5k ProN.
  • Dusty Horde is unchanged, but cheaper - 10k ProN.[3].

If you purchased mercenary services before, you'll pay some upkeep to keep them on when you talk to Megail, but their bonuses are unchanged.

Depending on the Outcome of the Orc Extermination Motion:

  • If the motion failed, you get +2 Size and +2 Quality at the start of Chapter 3.
  • If the motion passed, you get -1 Size at the start of Chapter 3.

Battle of Yhilin Edit

If you have come here from the Battle of Yhilin Guide, the values listed as "start of Chapter 3" are the same ones listed in the Army Recalculation section of that guide, so if you are trying to track your army's stats, be wary of reapplying the same modifications. For the Battle of Yhilin, only your nonhuman forces apply to your Army scores, so subtract any increases you received from hiring mercenaries.

MAXIMUM VALUES FOR BATTLE OF YHILIN:

Size = 30
Quality = 14

There are many modifications that will happen to your army's scores during the Battle of Yhilin. There is no simple way to reflect those changes here. If you don't mind spoilers and looking under the hood of the game, visit the Yhilin battle guide to track the attrition suffered by your army during the battle.

Governing Yhilin Edit

You'll be working with Balia to improve the quality of your orcs through breeding. To track your efforts, go to the Orc Breeding page.

When you transfer Orcent's consciousness into a new body

  • If you've crossed 4 or more thresholds, +2 Quality
  • If you've crossed 2-3 thresholds, +1 Quality

After Eustrin Edit

Orcent will tell you the Size and Quality of your army as number. After that, he will give you his evaluation regarding orcs, succubi, Yhilin regular army and mercenaries.

Before adding variables:

  • Army Size * 2
  • Army Quality + 1

Orc forces Edit

There are various factors that influence the total number of orcs but Orcent's reflection only reflects the first one (Orc's strength).

Orc Strength:

  • >= 12: Size + 55, Quality + 2
"Our orc forces have grown beyond all expectations. They form by far the largest bloc of our army."
  • >= 10: Size + 40, Quality + 2
"Our orc forces have grown immensely. They form a powerful bloc of our army."
  • >=  8: Size + 30, Quality + 1
"Our orc forces are much larger than when we took over Yhilin."
  • >=  5: Size + 20 
"Our orc forces are larger than when we took over Yhilin, but they haven't grown as much as expected."

Orc Seeds:

  • >= 6: Size + 15, Quality + 1
  • >= 5: Size + 10
  • >= 4: Size + 5

Orc Evolution with Balia:

  • Size + 5, Quality + 1

Balia Relationship:

  • >= 80: Size + 25, Quality + 2
  • >= 70: Size + 15, Quality + 1
  • >= 60: Size + 10, Quality + 1
  • >= 50: Size + 5

Succubus Forces Edit

Five variables influence your Succubus forces: 

  1. Succubus Brothel investment,
  2. Local Succubus Trade investment,
  3. National Succubus Trade investment,
  4. Succubus Immigration investment,
  5. Yarra's quest candidates >= 10.

Number of flags:

  • 5 flags: Size + 15, Quality + 2. Also the "Succubus Saturation" flag in activated.
  • 4 flags: Size + 10, Quality + 1. Also the "Succubus Saturation" flag in activated.
"Yarra's recruiting has given us more succubus troops than expected, enough to support all other units."
  • 3 flags: Size + 10, Quality + 1
  • 2 flags :Size + 5, Quality + 1
"Yarra's recruiting has given us many succubus troops as well - enough to support more than just orc units."
  • 1 flag: Size + 5
  • 0 flags: nothing
"Unfortunately, they aren't supported by as many succubi as would be ideal. We will be outgunned when it comes to sexual magic."

Yhilin Army Edit

Yhilin forces are also influenced by a long series of conditions; a hidden variable n is created to quantify the strength of your Yhilin forces.

n is set to 0

  1. Yhilin's score:
    • >= 25: n + 5
    • >= 20: n + 4
    • >= 15: n + 3
    • >= 10: n + 2
    • >= 5: n + 1
  2. If the invasion of Yhilin resulted in "population devastation":
    • n - 3
  3. Elven Ghetto improvement project has been funded:
    • n + 2
  4. Infrastructure project has been funded:
    • n + 2
  5. Yhilin's Acceptance:
    • >= 50: n + 3
    • >= 40: n + 2
    • >= 30: n + 1

Conclusion:

  • n >= 12: Size + 30, Quality + 2. The flag "Yhilin Army" is activated.
  • n >= 10: Size + 20, Quality + 2. The flag "Yhilin Army" is activated.
"Yhilin's forces are at least as strong as they were before the invasion. They should be able to hold Yhilin itself against attacks."
  • n >= 8: Size + 15, Quality + 1
  • n >= 6: Size + 10, Quality + 1
"Yhilin's own forces have mostly recovered and are generally working together with us."
  • n >= 4: Size + 10
  • n >= 2: Size + 5
"Regrettably, Yhilin's own forces have not entirely recovered from the invasion. We will have to cover for them."

Mercenaries Edit

Iron Cudgel hired:

  • Size + 5

City Mercenaries Investment:

  • Size + 2
"Finally, the Crown has been able to recruit a small number of mercenaries we can trust."

Countryside Mercenaries Investment:

  • Size + 5
"Finally, the Crown has been able to recruit a number of mercenaries we can trust."

Both Investments:

  • Size + 10
"Finally, the Crown has been able to recruit a reasonable number of mercenaries we can trust."

Conclusion:

Size > 200

"Huh. That's far more than I expected."

Size > 150

"Hmm. More than I expected."

Size > 100

"Hmm. About what I expected."

Size > 50

"Hmm. Fewer than I expected."

Size < 50

"I see. This is going to be rough."

ReferencesEdit

  1. I have only tested 5/3 and 13/4 and 10/5 army and 8/4: no mercs, no Impaler. My test lack of a 5/2 army or a 17/7 one or strong army without orcs or succubi.
  2. I actually examined the code and barring a complete overhaul in a version update it should work out as explained.
  3. They are more interested in working now, it seems.

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